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		<title>By: their New York struggle, part III: not-so-cheap labor &#124; Our Delhi Struggle</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-4805</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[their New York struggle, part III: not-so-cheap labor &#124; Our Delhi Struggle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 20:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] usually do themselves. This has been the subject of much discussion on this site: the fact that our offices had peons, that someone was paid to remove our household trash, and that men were cheaper than machines at [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] usually do themselves. This has been the subject of much discussion on this site: the fact that our offices had peons, that someone was paid to remove our household trash, and that men were cheaper than machines at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth Surana</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Siddharth Surana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Pooj: Took me quite a while through your posts. Life isn&#039;t as serious and dirty as you are making it seem, and there was nothing insulting in the post.

If someone states a fact or shares their perspective of things, then discuss it, don&#039;t feel insulted.

I doubt they would be in India, if all they felt was contempt for the place.

World is big, tons of people and cultures we haven&#039;t detailed yet.  I hope you can read their post again and understand what they were trying to communicate.

That&#039;s it for now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pooj: Took me quite a while through your posts. Life isn&#8217;t as serious and dirty as you are making it seem, and there was nothing insulting in the post.</p>
<p>If someone states a fact or shares their perspective of things, then discuss it, don&#8217;t feel insulted.</p>
<p>I doubt they would be in India, if all they felt was contempt for the place.</p>
<p>World is big, tons of people and cultures we haven&#8217;t detailed yet.  I hope you can read their post again and understand what they were trying to communicate.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth Surana</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Siddharth Surana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am glad, you now understand their roles and the kind of work they can do.  It is better to have an office boy, than to see them out on the road.

Even though the work doesn&#039;t seem HIGH enough, it&#039;s still work, and as such commands respect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am glad, you now understand their roles and the kind of work they can do.  It is better to have an office boy, than to see them out on the road.</p>
<p>Even though the work doesn&#8217;t seem HIGH enough, it&#8217;s still work, and as such commands respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Pooj</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pooj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All you guys still have the so called &#039;gora hangover&#039;. 

Get over it! And develop some integrity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you guys still have the so called &#8216;gora hangover&#8217;. </p>
<p>Get over it! And develop some integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: CheekyMonkey</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-572</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CheekyMonkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Pooj

Time to get your head out of your a@@

You seem to think that only Indians have a right to criticize Indian {society&#124;people&#124;culture&#124;whatever}. You say &quot;indians are too humble, too nice&quot;, whatever that means. 

I see no reason why only indians should be allowed to critique them. Most of western society is based on free exchange of thought. Do as you please, and let others do as they please.

I&#039;d say one thing: you are too sensitive. Grow up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pooj</p>
<p>Time to get your head out of your a@@</p>
<p>You seem to think that only Indians have a right to criticize Indian {society|people|culture|whatever}. You say &#8220;indians are too humble, too nice&#8221;, whatever that means. </p>
<p>I see no reason why only indians should be allowed to critique them. Most of western society is based on free exchange of thought. Do as you please, and let others do as they please.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say one thing: you are too sensitive. Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: rexdude</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-529</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Pooj,
You still don&#039;t get it, do you?
For starters, this is just a blog about an outsider&#039;s experience in India. You&#039;re talking as though they created it only to piss off Indians or that they&#039;re out to just point out flaws.
Who&#039;s pointing fingers here? In what way does the language of the blog indicate that they&#039;re insulting us in any way? 
Secondly-have you ever come across any Indian blog highlighting our faults in this manner(whether the intent was to do so, or just describe ones&#039; experience is another matter) ?

The one thing that hits all foreigners who come here is the glaring contrast between the rich and the poor. Probably the second thing would be our apathy towards it.
Take a look at the rags to pads initiative on this site. How many indian bloggers go and do stuff like that?
Lastly, why the hell are we so insecure that we perceive an insult where none was intended?

If there is one thing all of us urban Indians with internet access and a college education posting here, (myself included) it is our collective apathy. We look through the beggars that tap our car windows at traffic signals,
we take for granted and ignore the servants who come to work at our place. The truth hurts, especially when someone unintentionally holds up a mirror to us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pooj,<br />
You still don&#8217;t get it, do you?<br />
For starters, this is just a blog about an outsider&#8217;s experience in India. You&#8217;re talking as though they created it only to piss off Indians or that they&#8217;re out to just point out flaws.<br />
Who&#8217;s pointing fingers here? In what way does the language of the blog indicate that they&#8217;re insulting us in any way?<br />
Secondly-have you ever come across any Indian blog highlighting our faults in this manner(whether the intent was to do so, or just describe ones&#8217; experience is another matter) ?</p>
<p>The one thing that hits all foreigners who come here is the glaring contrast between the rich and the poor. Probably the second thing would be our apathy towards it.<br />
Take a look at the rags to pads initiative on this site. How many indian bloggers go and do stuff like that?<br />
Lastly, why the hell are we so insecure that we perceive an insult where none was intended?</p>
<p>If there is one thing all of us urban Indians with internet access and a college education posting here, (myself included) it is our collective apathy. We look through the beggars that tap our car windows at traffic signals,<br />
we take for granted and ignore the servants who come to work at our place. The truth hurts, especially when someone unintentionally holds up a mirror to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Durga.</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Durga.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is NOTHING wrong with being too nice or humble. This something to be cherished. I&#039;d rather be known for being nice and humble than be known as a racist egotistical maniac. 
Pride has got Indians or anyone...no where.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is NOTHING wrong with being too nice or humble. This something to be cherished. I&#8217;d rather be known for being nice and humble than be known as a racist egotistical maniac.<br />
Pride has got Indians or anyone&#8230;no where.</p>
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		<title>By: Pooj</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pooj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rex,

That&#039;s the problem with us Indians. Too open for criticism from anyone.

On the contrary, the western culture will not accept criticism from outsiders at all. (even though their society has their fair share of screw ups!)

Trust me, I&#039;ve lived and worked in London and as a non Londoner (forget non Britisher!!!), I dare have criticised or point out faults in their culture. Same is true of the Americans. They are too proud of even their faults to let anyone point a finger at them.

My point is, why do we allow that? 

Every article in this blog, be it kathi.com, peons, the dog story blah blah, subtly mocks our incapabilities as a country. I am sorry it does not point out the unusual. It points out only the negative.

You&#039;re too nice Rex. Thats the problem with us Indians, we are too nice and humble. 

We need to learn to be proud of even our faults. It really is nobody else&#039;s business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem with us Indians. Too open for criticism from anyone.</p>
<p>On the contrary, the western culture will not accept criticism from outsiders at all. (even though their society has their fair share of screw ups!)</p>
<p>Trust me, I&#8217;ve lived and worked in London and as a non Londoner (forget non Britisher!!!), I dare have criticised or point out faults in their culture. Same is true of the Americans. They are too proud of even their faults to let anyone point a finger at them.</p>
<p>My point is, why do we allow that? </p>
<p>Every article in this blog, be it kathi.com, peons, the dog story blah blah, subtly mocks our incapabilities as a country. I am sorry it does not point out the unusual. It points out only the negative.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re too nice Rex. Thats the problem with us Indians, we are too nice and humble. </p>
<p>We need to learn to be proud of even our faults. It really is nobody else&#8217;s business.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-497</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had the same experience of being an American in India. It killed me to have someone serve me chai, wash my windows, or take out my trash... but as with many things in India... you learn to accept it.

And, as you get to know and/or learn about these &quot;boys&quot; you understand that, for now, this is a good thing -- better that they are employed, than not. There are certianly worse jobs in India!

Just being in an office environment gives them a growth opportunity (to learn some English if nothing else) they likely wouldn&#039;t have if they were a day laborer. or worse.

Our house helper can afford to send her &lt;i&gt;daughter&lt;/i&gt; to school because we pay her well (though it&#039;s pennies to us), and she really does like cooking for us -- we can see the disappointment on her face when we don&#039;t have her cook. She is grateful for her job (and we are grateful for her) -- no question about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had the same experience of being an American in India. It killed me to have someone serve me chai, wash my windows, or take out my trash&#8230; but as with many things in India&#8230; you learn to accept it.</p>
<p>And, as you get to know and/or learn about these &#8220;boys&#8221; you understand that, for now, this is a good thing &#8212; better that they are employed, than not. There are certianly worse jobs in India!</p>
<p>Just being in an office environment gives them a growth opportunity (to learn some English if nothing else) they likely wouldn&#8217;t have if they were a day laborer. or worse.</p>
<p>Our house helper can afford to send her <i>daughter</i> to school because we pay her well (though it&#8217;s pennies to us), and she really does like cooking for us &#8212; we can see the disappointment on her face when we don&#8217;t have her cook. She is grateful for her job (and we are grateful for her) &#8212; no question about it.</p>
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		<title>By: rexdude</title>
		<link>http://ourdelhistruggle.com/2008/07/30/peons/#comment-495</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I noticed now- sorry for including you in my reply there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed now- sorry for including you in my reply there.</p>
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